The Importance of Authentic Catholic Education | Rachel Campos-Duffy

On this episode of Anchored, Jeremy is joined by Rachel Campos-Duffy, host of FOX & Friends Weekend and the From the Kitchen Table podcast. Rachel shares her personal educational journey, the importance of authentic Catholic schooling, and her family's commitment to classical education. She discusses the challenges faced by Catholic schools, the revival of interest in Catholic education post-COVID, and the transformative experience her daughter had at the University of Dallas. She emphasizes the need for parents to be proactive in their children's education and the integration of faith and values at home. 

Click here for “Battle for the American Mind: Uprooting a Century of Miseducation” by Pete Hegseth and David Goodwin. 

Transcript

Jeremy Tate (00:03.139)
Welcome back to the Anchor Podcast. Today we have a guest who needs no introduction. If you've turned on the TV at all, anytime in past several years, Rachel Campos-Duffy, Fox News. This may be the all-time favorite Anchor Podcast for my mom, Sarita Tate, who is maybe Rachel Campos-Duffy's number one fan. My mom's losing her mind, Rachel, that you are on the Anchor Podcast. This is amazing. Welcome.

Rachel Duffy (00:14.03)
Thank you and please say hi to your mom for me. We love that.

Jeremy Tate (00:33.419)
I will. I will. I will. So everybody knows your name from Fox News, but not everybody knows that you are a fan of real, authentic Catholic education, classical education. You you've got your own kiddos, some of them I understand at the University of Dallas, which I love. One of our favorite and most popular CLT partner colleges. So I wanted to get into, I want to get into all of this today.

But wanting to start off just kind of with a little bit about your own academic background, what was school like for you growing up?

Rachel Duffy (01:09.579)
So for elementary and middle school and high school, I was kind of all over the place. My dad was in the military, so we attended mostly Department of Defense schools. But then one of my dad's assignments was in Peru, and so we just attended one of these international.

American schools. So just pretty basic secular education. Then when I went into high school, I ended up at a Catholic school. my parents weren't super intentional about it. They're very devout Catholics. But Catholic education wasn't something that they thought was necessary. And so.

It just wasn't. But I ended up in one and they liked it and they were happy. And that was toward the end of it. I think one of my big regrets was that I didn't go to a Catholic university. didn't even think about it. It really occurred to me. If I had to go back, I would go to Dallas, frankly, University of Dallas, where my daughter goes to. When I had my own kids, I said I really want them to go to Catholic school.

Jeremy Tate (02:09.291)
Okay, okay.

Jeremy Tate (02:18.103)
Yes, love it.

Rachel Duffy (02:23.576)
I realized from my own experience how important that was. Unfortunately, was for most of my, for the first 10, 12 years of my marriage was in places where there were Catholic schools, but they were pretty mediocre. Like your standard, not super intentional Catholic schools, a small period of time, a two year period where we found a really great school, but it was very far away.

And it just wasn't sustainable. And then I moved to New Jersey. And that's where I came into contact with a really phenomenal classical school for my kids. So let me just backtrack, because you asked me about my own education. I ended up at Arizona State University, where I studied economics. And then I went on to get my master's at UC San Diego.

Jeremy Tate (03:10.937)
Thanks.

Jeremy Tate (03:16.845)
Okay.

Rachel Duffy (03:21.696)
in international affairs. And so that's my academic background, but not anything Catholic, except for those years in high school, like three years in high school.

Jeremy Tate (03:30.969)
Okay.

Jeremy Tate (03:35.897)
Okay, and then you are yourself mother of nine. Did you come from a big Catholic family?

Rachel Duffy (03:42.065)
I didn't, there was four of us in my family. I thought we were a big Catholic family until I met my husband's family. And he is the 10th of 11. He's the 10th of 11 kids, Irish Catholic family. So I don't know how we ended up with nine, but we just ended up with nine.

Jeremy Tate (03:48.043)
Okay.

Jeremy Tate (03:56.387)
Wow. Yeah.

Jeremy Tate (04:00.419)
Now this school, the U N High School, the Catholic school, a lot of Catholic schools, and we talk about this on Anchored on a regular basis, a lot of these schools kind of just parrot the public schools. They're what many of the Catholic colleges are doing the same thing. We have the exceptions of UD and Benedictine, but what was your high school like in terms of Catholic identity?

Rachel Duffy (04:17.348)
Yeah.

Rachel Duffy (04:23.205)
You know, I think the Catholic identity was actually strong in no small part because it was a very Mexican-American student population, a lot of Filipinos. And so in that regard, I was interfacing with them. And this was so long ago when I was in school that there was actually, I think one or two nuns and some Catholic brothers, which when my kids went to their mediocre Catholic schools, you know, by then.

None of those things existed, right? You had, you know, lay teachers, many of them, some of them even weren't even Catholic. I remember one of the schools that my kids went to, the religion teacher wasn't Catholic. And I'm like, well, how is somebody who's not even convinced enough to be Catholic teaching religion? I mean, these were the kind of stupid decisions that were being made by these schools that were just sort of nominally Catholic and trying, I think.

to compete with the public school by being Catholic light, which I always thought was a stupid marketing strategy at the very basic level.

Jeremy Tate (05:30.551)
Hmm.

So Rachel, one of the things that I love so much about this movement, this classical renewal movement, this revival, this great renaissance that's happening is that for most of us, myself included, is we're new to it. I went to public school, I started to discover this in seminary. Walk us through this process of discovery for you and Sean as you discover this great tradition.

Rachel Duffy (05:40.219)
Yeah.

Rachel Duffy (05:55.644)
So I'd heard about it. I looked into it and it just wasn't available to me. Then when I also, I have a very good friend that I work with, colleague, his name is Pete Hegseth. He's my cohost on the weekend show. And he sort of started to do his own research into classical schools. Now he's not Catholic, but his kids, he was really determined that he wanted his kids to go to a classical school and he did a lot of the research on it. He wrote a book about it.

called Miseducation, where he went through the full history of why that was necessary. So I was already sort of on board. I just didn't know of a place. Then I read his book. also has a series. That book was turned into a fabulous series on Fox Nation. And it really just convinced me that I needed to do it. However, when I moved to, when I got this job full time, I moved to New Jersey and I

Jeremy Tate (06:36.044)
Okay.

Rachel Duffy (06:54.899)
you know, the taxes here were so high. And so I found a house that we liked. and the taxes were, as I said, outrageous. And so I thought, you know what? I told my husband. We're good. We're good Catholics. Let's just send a public school. This, the schools around me are, were, were, there were some Catholic schools, but they're very kind of, lack of, I don't have the right term, but I'm going to say they're kind of she, she Catholic schools.

They're mainly just feeder schools to Ivy Leagues. They're very, very expensive. And they weren't really, in my view, meeting the religious standards that I would want. So I was like, why would I send my kids there? So originally I was like, I'm going to send them to public school. They'll get their Catholic, know, Catholicity from our home environment, which is very Catholic and very traditional. And then I went to visit the schools and

I saw and heard things that were super woke. I just decided immediately upon entering in there, everything from like, we're gonna make your kid into a global citizen. And then they had like a tiny American flag by the office, a tiny, small American flag. And then they had this giant LGBTQ flag the size of the hallway. And I was like, you can't unite a student body beneath the LGBTQ flag and not the American flag.

Jeremy Tate (08:03.459)
Beautiful.

Rachel Duffy (08:19.984)
All of it was backwards to me, made no sense at all. And then through God's grace and a really wonderful woman who knew my realtor, somehow I found out about this tiny little school in Boonton, New Jersey. That was sort of like the little train that could. There was a priest there, Father Daniel, who had a vision about starting this classical school. And I went down to visit.

The classical elementary school and then nearby on the next block was only two or three year old high school that he had started, like a companion school. And the second I walked in, I knew no matter what, we had to get our kids into this school. The Renaissance art on the wall, they teach Latin, everything was very traditional.

You know, mass every week, confession, adoration. I mean, everything you wanted, plus, you know, they teach at the high school level in the Socratic method. The reading list was like incredible. Even the first and second graders were learning about the Iliad and the Odyssey and they were learning about the Greek gods and they all know about Rome and just this idea of history and...

I just was blown away. And in fact, I'll be honest with you, Jeremy, I was actually jealous of my kids. I was like, why I didn't get this. I just, I couldn't believe it. So it was quite an effort because one of the things that I learned from my friend, Pete, that I didn't follow because I didn't think about it soon enough was you pick the school and then you pick the house. Well, I had already picked the house. And so now we just had to deal with.

Jeremy Tate (09:52.941)
Yeah.

Rachel Duffy (10:10.171)
with the distance and luckily within short order, one of the kids was old enough to drive, which took a huge burden off of us. And now the next one drive, two more that drive. like, it's all making, it all worked out in the end, but I wish I had lived closer to the school. I wish I'd picked the house and then the school, I mean the school and then the house, which is really, I think the new mindset that parents need to have.

Jeremy Tate (10:39.412)
And can you share the name of that school?

Rachel Duffy (10:41.878)
Sure, it's our Lady of Mount Carmel is the school in Boonton and the sister high school is Lumen Gentem. And they're just fantastic. Now there's some drawbacks at the high school level. It's a small school. There's not a really great sports program. If your kid's gonna be a star football player and that's really important to you, this isn't the school for you. But if you're interested in academics, you want your kids to learn.

Jeremy Tate (10:48.226)
Okay.

Rachel Duffy (11:10.762)
how to think, you want them to learn critical thinking, you want them to understand the way great thinkers in the past thought through things, what they were reading, how they were informed about their ideas and how they drew, how they got to the idea of truth and beauty and virtue and all these things, then this is the school for you.

Jeremy Tate (11:35.129)
Love that. And the book for our listeners that we're referring to is The Battle for the American Minds. That's Pete Hegseth and David Goodwin. Had Pete and David on the Anchor podcast. If we can link to that in the show notes, that would be amazing. Rachel, I'm wondering if we can talk through this language of classical. So in the Catholic world, some folks, even at faithfully Catholic schools, sometimes they have a lot of reservations with the language of classical and embracing that.

In a place like Texas, you know, there's this odd thing happening where a lot of families are leaving the Catholic schools. They're going to classical charter schools where they're actually getting the intellectual tradition, ironically, of the church more so than at some of the Catholic schools. Is the language of classical language that the Catholic church, Catholic educators need to embrace? What are your thoughts on that?

Rachel Duffy (12:17.165)
Yeah.

Rachel Duffy (12:28.082)
Yeah, I wish the bishops would. You know, I really think that we have a leadership problem in the church. And a lot of the things that are, that we love about classical schools should be happening in all diocesan schools. And it's sad that Catholics would have to go to a classical charter school to get the rich tradition that is the inheritance of these Catholic kids that they should be getting from their own.

Jeremy Tate (12:45.497)
And then.

Rachel Duffy (12:57.463)
diocesan school. Again, I think it's sort of, it got lost. And then you have educators instead of, you know, religious people taking over schools and not understanding that whole philosophy. And again, they see it as get bodies in the classroom. And by the way, they're not very effective at it.

A lot of these schools, like I said, are just trying to be Catholic light in order to appeal to a really wide range of parents. They're more prep, and some of them on the upscale areas are more prep schools than they are Catholic schools. And so again, I think it's about relearning that inheritance that we talked about, this Catholic tradition.

this intellectual tradition that we have as Catholics. And sadly, I think it's just not coming from the bishops and from the hierarchy, which is where it needs to come from. They're so distracted by so many things. I don't think there's anything that the Catholic Church does outside of the mass and sacraments that's more important than Catholic schools. I don't think there's been a really great job done in that area.

Jeremy Tate (14:16.889)
Are you optimistic? mean, it seems like there are, I mean, Catholic homeschooling taking off on the K-12 side, this re-embracing, I mean, we've had 50 years of decline. 1965 was the high point. 50 % of kids in Catholic school, 50 % of Catholic kids in Catholic schools to where we are today. Have we hit rock bottom, Rachel? Are we in a recovery mode now?

Rachel Duffy (14:23.072)
Yeah.

Rachel Duffy (14:28.49)
Yeah.

Rachel Duffy (14:40.747)
Yeah, I do. And I think obviously COVID had a lot to do with that. Catholic schools proved their resilience during that period of time when the public schools were closed down. Catholic schools out of necessity could not. And they stayed open and they proved that they were a necessary place. And I think a lot of public school people, families went into Catholic schools because they realized they didn't want their kids on Zoom at home, you know, learning nothing.

And they kind of rediscovered that even mediocre Catholic schools, and I know I've been a little bit hard on these Catholic schools, but even the mediocre ones are better than the public ones. And I say that because at least Jesus is there, right? Jesus is present. Jesus is still part of the school. And if they don't have weekly mass, they at least have monthly mass. I it's still a Catholic school. And I think some people were able to rediscover that. And a lot of Catholic families who were in public school went...

to get back to Catholic schools. So there is a revival and I do think families have become more aware of sort of the really pernicious ideologies that are being inculcated and indoctrinated into their kids through the public government schools. And so I do think there's a huge opportunity. As you said, there's been a huge explosion of homeschooling and a return to Catholic schools and a rediscovery of this classical education.

the more people, think people, like my friend Pete, you know, he served in the military and, you know, he's a well-known veteran who does a lot of work on behalf of other veterans. But I always tell him that, you know, his service to the school choice movement and the classical movement is actually the greatest thing he's ever done. And I think there's several other people, you know, luminaries and figures besides Pete Hegseth, and yourself included.

who are bringing attention to it, putting a spotlight on classical education and people are rediscovering it. And I think the way it really sells itself is through our kids. I kind of heard about it. I thought it sounded good, but it wasn't till my kids were in it. And I just saw the nature of the conversations we have at dinner elevated. When I saw them wanting to talk about

Rachel Duffy (17:04.139)
Dante and Thomas Aquinas and they all know who Aristotle is and why he's important. These are things that are not only not taught at the public schools or even at the mediocre Catholic schools, but they're actually in the public schools. It's discouraged. That would be a bad thing. You would not be allowed to talk about Thomas Aquinas in those schools.

Jeremy Tate (17:27.793)
Yeah.

Rachel Duffy (17:33.604)
So much of what our culture is based on in Western civilization is based on the thinkings of these people. And so I just think that you just start to notice your kids and that's what's selling it. And so we did this with elementary and high school when we came here to New Jersey and our oldest was a senior of that group. We have two older ones.

One that went to University of Chicago and one that went to the University of Madison, Wisconsin. And when that third one who went to classical high school or senior year was getting ready to apply for college, we did another rethinking. think the first one was if we had to redo it, pick the school, then the house. The next rethinking that revolutionized us was we realized that with the other two, we had sent money.

to universities that hate us. We had sent our money to universities that were actually using our money to try and undo everything that we had done for the last 18 years in terms of values. And if they didn't get our kid, which thank God they didn't get our kids, they used my money to get other kids and turn them away from Christian values.

Jeremy Tate (18:35.758)
Well, thank you.

Rachel Duffy (18:57.687)
And so when that third child who was now a senior at the classical school here in New Jersey was ready for college, we decided to absolutely change the way we did college. And I had a very powerful podcast, because I have my own podcast called From the Kitchen Table, where I interviewed Victor Davis Hansen. And I asked Victor Davis Hansen, what are the schools, if you had to send your kids to school, what are the schools that you think are worthwhile?

Jeremy Tate (19:24.825)
Mmm.

Rachel Duffy (19:26.3)
And he gave me a list and it was about five, you know, I don't know, maybe five to eight schools. And I gave that list, my husband and I, to our daughter and said, we love you. We want you to get a higher education. If you want us to pay for it, here are the lists of schools that we're willing to pay for. And then if you want to go somewhere else, that's on you. And so she picked Dallas because Dallas was on that list among others.

And we've been really satisfied with Dallas and we're hoping the other kids end up at Dallas. So that was the next step of revolutionizing the way we think about education with our kids.

Jeremy Tate (20:10.115)
Love that. And I want to get into UD in just a moment. I want to comment on one point you made a few minutes ago that even the mediocre Catholic schools beat the public schools. I ran into an old buddy from high school at a pub early COVID and he said, Jeremy, I'm so excited. We're sending our kids to Catholic school now. And I said, that's awesome. I actually didn't even know you were Catholic. He said, I'm not Catholic. He said, we just don't want to send our kids to a school that teaches basic biology, that there are boys and girls.

Rachel Duffy (20:38.421)
Yeah, yeah, yeah

Jeremy Tate (20:39.897)
I'm like, wow, like that's a pretty low bar, but that's where we're at. So, well, let's talk UD, one of the most, yeah.

Rachel Duffy (20:44.858)
Yeah.

Rachel Duffy (20:48.783)
But also Jeremy, that's a huge, can I just say this? I love that story because again, I really hope some of our bishops are listening to this podcast because that's such an opportunity for evangelization. Like how bad the public schools have gotten is an opportunity for Catholic education. And not just for our education, but because I personally know

probably a half a dozen adults in my life who were Hindu or Muslim, but went to Catholic school and ended up becoming Catholic. Their parents sent them there because they just thought it was a better education. They did it solely on academics, but their children ended up becoming Catholics. so the school is and one of them, the parents eventually became Catholics as well. So,

Jeremy Tate (21:28.397)
Yeah.

Rachel Duffy (21:47.247)
There's a huge evangelization opportunity for the church because the public schools have become so bad, but we should be offering the very best. And I think our bishops need to take the lead on that and start promoting instead of in many cases, they're either neutral or even hindering classical schools from flourishing in their diocese.

Jeremy Tate (22:15.019)
Love that. President Sanford, the University of Dallas, President Sanford keynoted the last CLT Higher Ed Summit in Annapolis. The University of Dallas is always top five for where CLT test takers are going after they graduate. And, you know, I love we have our first UD full-time employee here at CLT, Gabriella Thoreau. She's amazing. This is a serious education. mean, the first

Couple years I talked to UD students, this is like you're going to boot camp. mean academically these students are getting pushed. What was it like for your daughter the first couple years at UD?

Rachel Duffy (22:44.283)
Well.

Rachel Duffy (22:56.582)
Well, I would say, think I don't want to scare parents whose kids are in public school right now or a mediocre Catholic school from encouraging their kids to go. The daughter I sent would not have been ready and I think would have had a lot of trouble succeeding had she not had that last year. Her senior year was her first year of ever being in a classical school.

And it was really hard and she really struggled. And I had to tell her, I don't care about your grades. I just care that you're learning. But it was such great preparation for Dallas. Cause many of the books that she was introduced to in her freshman year that she was supposed to learn, she had already been introduced to it in the classical high school that she had gone to for, you know, that last year of her education in high school. So that's not to say that, you know,

You can't thrive if you come out of public school and go to Dallas, but you're right. It's a serious education. It's sequential. And so, you know, and here's what I love about it. It is everybody, and this is how I knew it was just gonna be different. The first thing I saw when I went to campus to visit with her when she was touring, they gave me the reading list, blown away. Every one of those books.

Either I luckily had read or should have read. So I was thrilled that my daughter was going to be required to read them. And it didn't matter if she majored in math or English. For the first two, two and a half years, every student is reading exactly the same thing. So they're getting grounded and they're being sort of unified in this idea of their search for the truth, right?

Jeremy Tate (24:38.552)
Yeah.

Rachel Duffy (24:50.692)
And so I love that. I hate the idea that if you're in the sciences, you don't need this stuff. I actually think with the way things are going, you need that, that those values even more in the sciences now, as we look at transhumanism and all this kind of crazy stuff that's happening in the world. So I love that part of it. The sophomore year, they take a semester, they have a university in Rome that they've had for decades. And every student

goes and studies in Rome for a semester. My daughter did it last spring. Again, transformative.

Jeremy Tate (25:23.565)
Hey, only the only yeah, the only college that grows its own wine that makes its own wine, right? The UD Vineyard.

Rachel Duffy (25:29.616)
Yeah, and olive oil. Yes, olive oil and wine from the University of Dallas. So that was a very formative experience for her. And she did a lot of traveling, a lot of, you know, learning about architecture and art and church history and, and ancient history. And because they go to they take them on trips to Greece as well. So as well as all over Italy. So

She just flourished there. Again, another experience that I was jealous of that I didn't get. But there's something else that Dallas gave our child that we didn't know would happen. And we didn't realize when we paid the tuition that we were going to get this too. And that was the teachers. And I'm going to tell you, I'm going to give you two examples. And I think they'll explain well why, what I mean by this.

one was my daughter needed, she was trying to figure out what she wanted to do, like what she was going to major in. And she was, you know, struggling with that. And I said, you know, you should go and talk to one of your teachers that, know, whatever teacher that you love the most, you know, go and sit down and talk to them and see. And she did, she did that while she was in Rome and she ended up speaking to a professor that happened to be a mother of five or six kids herself. And.

kind of talk to her about what she wanted to do, but also talk to her about if you're gonna be a mother, you should be thinking about what kind of career can transition in and out of that really well. So they had talked about teaching and also psychology and counseling and how that could fit into a mother's life as she's having kids. And I just thought that blew me away because you would be

you would be fired from a public university if you talk to a student about actually integrating the most important part of who she is, the fact that she will eventually become a mother into how she picks her major. And I thought that was amazing. And the other thing was that when she went to Dallas, the professor who runs Dr. Roms, who runs that program, his wife,

Rachel Duffy (27:59.134)
is also a PhD and I believe she's a philosophy professor there. And they have children that are living there with them going to Italian schools. And these kids are in and out of the different college events that are going on there in Rome. And so the college kids are meeting not just their teachers, but their teachers' families. They also met professors who were

recently married and on the weekends would fly off to France to go do vacations. so what I thought was amazing, and I learned this through the conversation she was having with me, is that she was taking in this idea of Catholic, lay, married people living out their academic professional vocations while integrating their families while serving.

the church through their professions. And the conversations she was having with me were just, and they did this, it was so great, I saw their kids, and then we did this. But I realized through osmosis, she was getting this idea that she could do all these different things. So she could be a professional and be a mother and serve the church and all of this. And she was seeing that model through these amazing professors.

that she's encountering on a daily basis. And also at University of Dallas, there are many sisters and priests who are interacting with the students. So they're also getting exposure to that vocation. And so these are things that a lot of parents aren't thinking about. I certainly wasn't thinking about that when I said, you can go to Dallas and I'm to write that check off every semester.

it's well worth the money to have that kind of, I mean, you're getting the opposite in a public university.

Jeremy Tate (29:57.847)
Let's talk for a minute just about kind of the home and what happens in the home, what happens at school. Sometimes these things, these worlds are completely disconnected and the students are processing kind of one set of IEs at home, one set at school. And you need both in a culture this aggressively secular, you really, really need both. If you had to recommend something that you and Sean established over the years as a family.

Rachel Duffy (30:10.642)
Yeah.

Rachel Duffy (30:19.293)
Yes.

Jeremy Tate (30:26.125)
to pass down the faith to your kiddos, what would that be?

Rachel Duffy (30:31.592)
Well, the first thing is, and we talked about these mediocre Catholic schools versus sending them to public school. What we decided we didn't want to do, and I'll get to the heart of your question, but I want to make sure I make this point. We decided that it was worth the money that we spent to send our kids to this Catholic school that we send them to right now. And even the other one that we sent them to and we didn't have a choice.

Between a good one and a mediocre one. We did it because we didn't want to spend our Dinner times deprogramming our kids, right? I mean that seriously is what you're looking at if you're sending your kids to public school and you're and you're raising them as Good Orthodox Catholics traditional Catholics faithful Catholics at home. You should know

that they are working on deprogramming your kids from what you believe there and your job is going to have to be deprogramming them from what they're getting there. And it's really, really difficult, I think, for many families and many kids to have to deal with that sort of dichotomy. And so I would say that was a really important choice that we made, that we didn't want, we wanted to have the values we teach at home being reflected and valued.

by the school that they go to. So that's the first thing. But I think Sean and I both believe that we are the first and primary teachers of our kids. That everything that they learn is primarily gonna come from us. so whether it's modeling, going to church every Sunday, modeling, taking kids, going as a family to confession, modeling, prayer time every night, modeling.

you know, praying before meals, all of that's on us. And there's no way a school could inculcate that. It'd be very difficult for them to do that without us doing our part at home.

Jeremy Tate (32:37.689)
of that, Rachel, we always conclude the Anchor podcast by discussing, and I actually wanted to throw in one quick stat before that. What you were saying is backed up by hard data about the impact right now of public schools on Catholic students. It wasn't always this way, but right now, 95 % of Catholic kids who go to public school leave the church, 95%, a mind blowing.

Rachel Duffy (33:00.307)
Wow, that is so much higher than I thought. Wow. Wow.

Jeremy Tate (33:04.569)
95%, a mind-blowing statistic. We always end the Anchor podcast talking about books. If there's one book that's been formative for you, maybe for you and Sean together that you would recommend for our audience, what would that be?

Rachel Duffy (33:22.541)
Well, I just read not too long ago, 1984, I reread it. And I think it's crazy, but it's a great book. I'm reading Brave New World right now, which is actually blowing my mind more because I read it in high school. I think I kind of cheated my way through reading it, you know, and I didn't read the whole thing and it didn't really make a lot of sense to me. It's kind of scary how real all of that stuff has become.

Jeremy Tate (33:31.287)
Yes.

Rachel Duffy (33:52.291)
I really love both of those books very much because I think there's a lot going on right now.

Jeremy Tate (33:57.669)
So Brave New World, they're kind of enslaved to, Brave New World, they're kind of enslaved to, I'm not right, I'm embarrassed to admit it, I will anchor fans. They're kind of enslaved to entertainment, is that right?

Rachel Duffy (34:09.633)
Yeah, but also pharmaceuticals. And also it's a very promiscuous culture. It's a way that they enslave their people through offering them sexual licentiousness, essentially. And it's a fascinating book because it really made no sense to me when I read it as a kid because I don't think our world had turned that way yet.

So yeah, mean, it's just, just those, I'm rereading that right now. And that's been, that's been kind of, kind of good. think the last one I would say would be Victor Frankl's, Man's Meaning for Life, I believe is the meaning of life for man. Yeah, Man's Search for Meaning, thank you. Another really, really powerful book as well.

Jeremy Tate (34:56.259)
Man search for meaning, yeah.

Jeremy Tate (35:05.933)
But again, we're here with Rachel Campos Duffy, Fox News. And Rachel, let us know again the name of your own podcast so folks can subscribe there.

Rachel Duffy (35:16.837)
Sure, it's from the Kitchen Table is the podcast and Fox and Friends Weekend, 6 a.m. Eastern to 10 a.m. Eastern every Saturday and Sunday.

Jeremy Tate (35:30.261)
Awesome, and thank you for giving a special shout out to my mom, Sarita Tate. She's gonna listen to this over and over.

Rachel Duffy (35:33.957)
Give her big hug for me. Tell her thank you.

Jeremy Tate (35:38.157)
Rachel, thank you for your voice, your bold voice of reason and your courage in speaking truth. Thanks so much for being with us. We'd love to have you back in the future.

Rachel Duffy (35:48.015)
Hey, thanks for what you do. I reached out to you first because I had a question about a Catholic school and I think your voice on Twitter is a really important one and I appreciate all you're doing to spread the message that you have on schools, on culture, and on our Catholic faith. So thanks for what you do. It's important.